@gunner305 to quote you:
"@Jules, I bet you truely believe that Russia did not work hard to undermine our democracy, and that all those Russia’s agents (Manafort, Flynn et al) that ran Trump campaign were not linked to Russia’s interest. As that is your belief, please answer this question (as a True “American”).."
Well, gunner, as I came out explained, in great detail, my conviction that Russia did, in fact, work to destabilize our country, you seem to be paying more attention to the voices in your head than to my actual words. So bet away. Those voices also told you that Manafort and Flynn were not only "Russian agents" but actually RAN the Trump campaign, proving your tenuous grasp of reality. Your comment is a dog's dinner of accusations. If you are saying that the International Left has been working to undermine our nation and its form of government for decades I not only agree, it is something I have been talking about for nearly that long. They have mostly done it by burrowing into our society, though, not by attacking us overtly from outside, and it is that erosion from within that has done the most damage.
I once did a lot of business with people from another country. I traveled there, I met some of the more influential people in the country, I spoke the language, I knew the culture, and it would have made sense to ask me my opinion of that nation and even for introductions to the movers and shakers there if it were to become important to US interests. That would not make me an "agent"of that country, but if someone were irrationally invested in hatred of those who asked for my help I suppose I could be accused of being so. That was the role Manafort was asked to play. It may be that, totally aside from and unrelated to that role he had some shady interests, but that is not relevant to why Trump thought he had something he could bring to the table. The President of the United States, and anyone running for that office, has to have as much information as possible about the other major players, and it is simply common sense to seek out people with that kind of information.
You go on to say: "When Trump Administration says that Russia is attacking our infrastructures, i.e. power grid, are they lying? An American would say no, the Trump Administration is not lying about Russia’s intent to destabilize the US, what say you?"
I have been a loud voice from the beginning about Russia's interests in destabilizing our country. I don't know what Trump said about Russia "attacking our..... power grid" but it's been obvious for decades that what hurts the US benefits Russia. You seem to be bouncing all over the place, first implying that Trump worked with Russia to harm the United States or at least "undermine our democracy" and then saying that Trump has been openly claiming Russia is attacking our infrastructure.
So here is what I think.
Russia is not our friend. Never has been, probably never will be. Russia is a nation with a history of being run by tyrants, a history that made it pretty much impossible to be comfortable with the brief democracy that tried to emerge after the fall of the USSR. The corruption was too deeply embedded to be overcome and Russia quickly slid back into its ugly old self. It has learned that it doesn't have to attack us with guns and missiles, because the penetration into the heart of our society has weakened us so badly that we are dangerously close to just giving in to the Leftist political system that defines Russia. If you don't believe, that, look at the recent polls showing how many young people admire Stalin and Lenin and Marx and think we should be socialist or even communist.
Donald Trump is not a Russian agent, stooge or ally. He knew he would need a lot of inside information, fast, about Russia if he was going to run for the presidency, and win, and he contacted businessmen he knew or knew of who had worked extensively in Russia and knew the top dogs there. None of these were politicians, sensitive to the absolute hysteria that lying opposition could create from pretty much anything, so they were probably not as canny as they should have been about who they talked to or how they talked to them, but there was never any effort on the part of the Trump team to collude with Putin to steal the election. That is a Leftist fantasy.
Russia didn't need to rig the election. Russia didn't even need to take sides. All Russia needed to do was drop some carefully constructed breadcrumbs hinting at various things, knowing the predictable hounds would start running around baying at the moon. The goal was never to get any particular person elected. The goal was to turn Americans against each other, to get as many Americans as possible emotionally invested in the idea of overturning a duly elected president, and to plant the seeds of rebellion against a legally elected administration. And they have been wildly successful. The former Speaker of the House is openly agitating for action against the government, though the named target is the president. Russia had plenty of true agents right here in this country-----they didn't need Manafort or Flynn. They had the Democrat Party and a howling mob just looking for something to tear down.
So please stop misstating what I said and informing me that I believe things I not only do not believe but never said a thing to lead someone to truly think I do. If you want to find the enemy of the United States, don't look at Trump or anyone he worked with, don't even look at the country of Russia------look at the political system that is the Left, look at how it has wormed its way into the heart of our government and our people, and look at the damage it is continuing to do. Too often with the help of people who are so gullible, and/or emotional and looking for someone to hate, that they become tools of the Left in its war against America.