There is No Biblical Prophesy Here, Just the Right Thing to Do

Moving the embassy to Jerusalem is not about fulfilling a prophecy​​. It's the right thing to do.

I am not in the evangelical camp that thinks Israel still has a special role to play in the Bible. The Israelites of the Old Testament were superceded by the church in the New Testament. Christians are now God's people and faith in Christ is what gains one admission into God's eternal kingdom. I do not believe the modern nation-state of Israel has any Biblical role to play, though I recognize and embrace the historicity of the Kingdom of David, the role the Romans played in changing the name from Judea to Palestine, and that the Jews legitimately have a several thousand year old claim to set up shop in the area on which the modern nation-state exists.

Now, this is not some line of faith or matter of doctrine. There are plenty of Christians who believe Israel has some special role to play still in Biblical, theological terms. I'm just not one of them. This is not like gay marriage or the trinity where there is two thousand years of consistent doctrine setting the parameters by which one might be legitimately considered a heretic for embrace of one and rejection of the other. This is a matter of Biblical interpretation that does not affect one's salvation.

I say that to say I do not view Donald Trump as fulfilling some prophesy or helping bring about the second coming through moving America's Embassy to Jerusalem. I believe it was just the right thing to do.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. The United States should have its capital in the capital city of a country. Our treatment of Israel was an exception to that rule. It was a gross injustice to the Jewish people and President Trump remedied it. He did what other Presidents claimed a willingness to do, but never did. He did what other politicians claimed they wanted done, but then howled in protest when he did it.

President Trump made the right decision and he should be applauded for it.

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Alex Wilson
Alex Wilson

@JaneKMiller:

"Here's what I don't get about Erik E and others in Washington like him: why the arrogance?"

Not sure if this is what you intended to say, but it read like you were saying that Erick is located in Washington, and wanted to point out that he is located in Atlanta and that if I'm not mistaken he has turned down better paying jobs in NYC and DC to stay there.

I also don't see this particular article as being very critical of Trump, rather it focuses solely on how he doesn't view the embassy move as having Eschatological significance.

Alex Wilson
Alex Wilson

@JASmius

Most people would consider my views to be Supersessionist/Replacement Theology, but I would say that this is a mis-characterization of what I, and many but not necessarily everyone in this camp believer. I don't think that the Church replaced Israel, rather I believe that the ancient Jewish people weren't actually Israel. Rather Jesus Christ is Israel, the Law and Prophesies of the Old Covenant find their fulfillment in him and I can only claim to be part of Israel because I have been grafted into Christ.

Russell Moore explained this much more eloquently than I can:

"The church is not Israel, at least not in a direct, unmediated sense. The remnant of Israel-a biological descendant of Abraham, a circumcised Jewish firstborn son who is approved of by God for his obedience to the covenant-receives all of the promises due to him.

Israel is Jesus of Nazareth, who, as promised to Israel, is raised from the dead and marked out with the Spirit (Ezek 37:13-14; Rom 1:2-4). All the promises of God “find their Yes in him” (2 Cor 1:20), as Paul puts it, and this yes establishes a Jew like Paul with Gentiles like the Corinthians “in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee” (2 Cor 1:21-22). The Spirit guarantees what? It guarantees that all who share the Spirit of Christ are “joint heirs with Christ” of his promised inheritance (Rom 8:17 NKJV)."

Also as I said above, my most recent read through of the Gospels has convinced me that a Pre-Tribulation rapture of the church is not supported therein. One of the more convincing passages to me is the Parable of the 10 Wise and 10 Foolish Virgins found in Matthew 25:1-13. Look especially at verses 10-12:

"“When they had gone to buy some, the groom arrived. Then those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut.
“Later the rest of the virgins also came and said, ‘Master, master, open up for us!’
“But he replied, ‘I assure you: I do not know you!’

From this parable we see that Jesus will come unexpectedly for the Church, take them into the wedding fest, and then shut the door. This seems to indicate that once the Church is Raptured from the earth, no one else will be able to enter into the Kingdom, which would preclude people being saved after the Rapture of the Church, as taught in Dispensational Theology.

thewordgirl
thewordgirl

Every time I re-read the Bible, I realize that the whole underlying theme is how God has been, and will be throughout Armageddon, steadily dealing with the fallen angelic entities who desperately tried to destroy humanity from the point of our creation. When God informed them that a Redeemer would come out of His creation of mankind to make it right, they then set about trying to corrupt our DNA by coming to earth and adding their inhuman "seed" to the mix. (Genesis 6) Thus, the flood, and all the wars that God directed the Hebrews to go into and clean out every person from. And that evil realm is still trying to destroy us today. That's of course why Paul stated that our fight is really with principalities and powers, not each other, but Satan keeps trying to disguise that fact and keep us at each other's throats...so that we don't realize the truth and turn our cross-hairs on him. If we Christians could all at least agree on that much, we might actually be able to work together on a real game-changing cause down here - resisting the true enemy (James 4:7).

Oregun
Oregun

After reading through the entire Bible every year for 20 plus years, each time through my theology is more of the reformed camp and my eschatology more preterist and less dispensational.

IndyArcher
IndyArcher
Alex Wilson
Alex Wilson said (edited): @ewerickson: Out of curiosity what Theological views do you believe are closest to being correct. I was baptized in and still attend a church that holds to typically Dispensational teachings, but my own theological views have shifted. My Hermeneutics and view of the Old Testament and the Laws found there are basically the same as New Covenant Theology. The main place I break from NCT is my view of Soteriology. Most of the people I've come across in the NCT camp are Calvinist, but I'm at least as Arminian in my view of salvation as the typical General Baptist and possibly even more so as I'm a bit wishy washy on Eternal Security (I don't think you can backslide out of your salvation, but I do think it's probably possible to lose it through a conscious choice to stop following Christ or an outright refusal to repent when legitimately confronted with sin by another Christian. I'm probably most unsure of my views on Eschatology. In my most recent read through of the Gospels, I became convinced that a Pre-Tribulation Rapture doesn't fit with what Christ taught about the end times, as the judgement of non-believers seems to be portrayed as immediately following the return of Christ for the church, but other than that, I'm still wrestling with scripture over it. Currently I'm leaning Amillennial, I think Sam Storms was able to satisfactorily answer my major objection related to the chaining of Satan for 1000 years in Revelation 20 (Here: https://youtu.be/ws0vbT4Yu2s?t=1h37m59s ) and Post-Millennial views don't seem to match the reality of the last two millennia of history.

That's a great presentation moderated by Piper. I used that to begin a teaching series on Eschatology several years ago. Well worth the time to watch. Interestingly, I really don't fall in line with any of them completely, but their positions are well presented.

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