The Roy Moore Problem for Conservatives

You want us to believe Juanita Broderick, Paula Jones, and Kathleen Willey, but you think we should automatically dismiss Roy Moore/s accusers? You chant "lock her up" but think we must clear Moore because he hasn't been found guilty in a court of law? That makes no sense.

I have tried to tread carefully and make clear we should not rush to judgment , but the reality is voters in Alabama are going to have to make a judgment. The voters will be Roy Moore's jury of peers. But what are we to do? The truth is I think Moore's accusers are credible. One of the things I would note is that they all looked similar and a lot of aggressors have a type. It seems Moore did. That is troubling because it bolsters their case.

But there's a bigger issue you. You want Juanita Broderick believed, but you're going to dismiss these multiple ladies? You want Paula Jones believed, but you're going to dismiss these ladies? You want Kathleen Willey believed, but you're going to dismiss these ladies?

You chant "lock her up" about Hillary Clinton, but you think Roy Moore is innocent until proven guilty?

The intellectual dishonesty is amazing. And here's the thing, for those of you willing to say he did it, but that a Democrat is worse because of his partisan positions, one day your maker is going to hold you to account for why you thought a kid toucher was a better fit for the Senate than someone you disagreed with on public policy.

I think at this point the burden of proof is on Roy Moore and barring some amazing defense he needs to walk away from this campaign. He may be innocent until proven guilty, but voters will have to make up their minds. And if I were a voter I would stay home. The mounting list of accusers who all have credible stories continues to grow and we should not be so willing to dismiss them if we want other victims to be heard.

Sticking with Roy Moore hurts conservatives and Christians' ability to draw others to our cause. And before you say that the other side would stick with their guy, I am not of the other side and see no reason to behave like the other side. We have a higher power to which we must be held to account and while we may get to him through faith alone, we will be judged on what we've done. And I just don't see the need to make Roy Moore's campaign a hill to die on even though I acknowledge there is a partisan pile on at the story more likely than not originated to take him out of the race for partisan reasons. The motive of the story, however, is less important that the motives of the accusers coming forward. And they all seem compelling.

But the problem with 38 years is that we can never know. While the incidents may have happened, we must assume for all purposes today THEY DID NOT. Because they are un-knowable, we must act as if they did not happen. That doesn't mean the girls are lying. It means that it is impossible for us today to give any credence to them BECAUSE of the passage of 38 years of time Regardless of whether they are true or false, because we cannot treat them as true when the truth is unknowable.

I spent 25 years as a cop in one of the higher crime areas of the country, and got a lot of experience interrogating suspects and evaluating their answers. Roy Moore is parsing his words carefully, and using speech patterns really common to people trying to keep from admitting things they know to be true.

@UpLateAgain One of the people I talked to who withdrew his endorsement is a former prosecutor. He talked directly to Roy and couldn't get straight answers, just legalese.

On the other hand, I watched the latest woman sit in front of Gloria Allred (that's all red, all the time) with tears running down her face as she described Moore Driving her behind the diner she worked at, grabbing at her chest, and trying to force her face into his lap. She had to be at least 55. Unless she's been in a come the last 40 years and hasn't experienced any 'life' at all, I will not for 1 second believe that remembering someone grabbing at her chest 40 years ago is going to be so distressing as to bring on a flood of tears. In other words she TOTALLY destroyed any sympathy I had for her circumstance. It may well have happened as she described..... I have no way of knowing. But making it seem like it was the major traumatic event of her life left me believing she's a complete phony, coached by Allred for purposes of seeing how much of a paycheck she can garner out of it. If I had to bet and there was actually a way to prove it, I'd say Moore probably did grab her, AND she's been fundamentally unconcerned about it for the past forty years until she started seeing potential dollar signs. It might be noteworthy too that at the time Moore was alleged to have done it, he was a Democrat.... and the press doesn't bring these kinds of allegations against Democrats much. You have to be Republican to earn this kind of attention.

Dump Moore, Elect a DemocRat, Make McConnell and his ChamberPots happy. It's all in the DC Swamp family to defeat Moore by Any Means necessary. If anyone wonders why DC is full of Repubs like McConnell, McCain, Collins, Corker, Rubio, Alexander, Isackson, Graham, Flake, Murkowski, Cochran, and the rest ....just look at the "voters" here ready to toss Moore out on allegations, I repeat allegations, very convenient allegations.

I agree that unless Moore can give some real evidence that he didn’t do what he is accused of, he shouldn’t serve in the Senate. On the other hand, one of the public policy issues his opponent supports is killing innocent babies and he’ll work hard to make sure hundreds of thousands are killed each year. If the only choice on Election Day is between these two, I would vote for Moore and call my Senators to get them to expell him from the Senate.

@TimIsKim I think that is a reasonable solution

I believe Trump and McConnell were behind this. If Roy Moore wins, the Senate will vote to unseat him. Then the Republican governor of Alabama will get to appoint someone to fill the open seat. The governor will appoint Luther Strange and Trump and McConnell will get the man they wanted in the Senate.

It would be tested in court whether the Senate could legally do that, as the conduct in question has no relation to how his campaign for Senator is being run (Ie. FEC violations) and occurred long before he ran for the office. I don't think it will pass muster. As far as Alabama Governor Ivey appointing Strange if Moore vacates the Senate seat? No. Absolutely not. If she has to appoint someone for any length of time, it will likely be Mo Brooks, as Strange is reviled around here. Strange obstructed the impeachment process for disgraced EX-governor Bentley, and was appointed by Bentley to the seat contrary to the laws of the State in what smacks of a quid pro quo. She will likely ask Moore if he decides to step down (which is highly unlikely) to announce it, requesting that election be rolled into next year's mid-term election season and formally resign Jan 2019. The taxpayers would not appreciate having to pay for a second special election because the first was a dumpster fire thanks to outside interference.

*EDIT: The contrary to laws of the state refers to that unless the seat becomes vacant within four months prior to the next election, a special election is mandatory. http://www.alabamanews.net/2017/03/06/bipartisan-lawsuit-filed-gov-bentley/ Ps. Using the enter button to submit a comment is proving to be annoyingly counterintuitive. Is that something hard-coded or can it be set to something less used like End?

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