If This is True, Our Republic is at an End

Either the FBI engaged in partisan behavior or partisans are trying to undermine basic institutions of law and order.

We think the Roman Republic ended with Caesar crossing the Rubicon or with Octavius being declared the first Emperor. In fact, until Diocletian, the Roman Emperor still pretended to keep the trappings of just a first among equals citizen. And before Caesar, there was Sulla, a dictator who reformed the Senate and then left power. Sulla inspired Caesar who thought Sulla nuts to have surrendered power willingly.

Rome kept the resemblance of a republic long after it had actually become a dictatorship in various ways and I am afraid that might be our trajectory. Our Rubicon may have been crossed and we need some honest, sober reflection. Instead, we will get partisan sniping with one side adamant it is not true and the other adamant it is. Truth, in a post-modern America, is hard to come by.

But the reality is this: if FBI agents collaborated to fabricate or exaggerate allegations about Donald Trump and/or tried to bring down his Presidency through partisan motivations, it is game over on the republic. If the civil institutions we have put in place to ensure law and order apart from politics are infiltrated by politics, there really is no turning back. We are already at a "they started it" mentality in our politics and this will just escalate the breakdown. We have already seen this in the IRS twice in the past fifty years, first with Nixon then with Obama, and the second time was largely given a pass by press.

There are now real and troubling allegations stemming from text messages that include agents meeting to discuss an "insurance policy" and agents meeting in a secret society. There are possible missing or willfully deleted text messages.

To be sure, and this is very important, there is also a lot of partisan exaggeration by people trying to protect the President. There is a lot of conflation. But there are serious allegations and there is enough evidence now that we need an investigation. I do not believe we need a special counsel as it would only serve to undermine the existing special counsel and would be seen as such. The Department of Justice should investigate and fully and publicly release its findings.'

Frankly, a closed meeting of congressmen without TV cameras to play to would be advisable as well. The tendency on both sides is to play to cameras to try to keep each side's base motivated for the mid-term elections. Turn off the cameras and take this seriously.

There is another angle to this too. If Republican partisans in Congress are raising these issues to undermine the FBI merely to support their party and the allegations are not true, the Republican Party itself needs to be shut down. The actions of the agents, if true, and the actions of the congressmen if not true are messing with the very integrity of our republic and its civic institutions.

This is no laughing matter. I take the allegations made by Congressmen Gowdy, Ratcliffe, and others to be serious and substantive. The media needs to treat those allegations with the gravity they deserve instead of turning this into a Republican vs. Democrat fight. If this is true, the activity within the FBI must be ruthlessly exposed and publicly stamped out. Otherwise we will see complete trust in government and the institutions of law and order collapse. If this is not true, the activity within the Republican Conference in the House must be ruthlessly exposed and publicly stamped out through Congressional censure and public discipline. Otherwise we will see complete trust in government and the institutions of law and order collapse.

Unfortunately, there are very few, if any, organizations left in this country that both sides view as honest brokers. The partisan sniping in both Houses of Congress and the leaking from Democrats to the press over the past few months leaves the nation without a reservoir of trust on either side.

These then are dangerous times and we need serious answers without all the partisan b.s. I cannot emphasize enough that one side or the other is in the wrong on this and whichever side is wrong must be ruthlessly stamped out for the basic, foundational institutions of our government to preserve integrity.

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NeilMcKenna
NeilMcKenna

Devin Nunes does not exactly have the best of track records. As a matter of fact, did he not recuse himself from anything involving the Russia investigation?

GTJohn
GTJohn

I find it hard to believe that in this great country we cannot find better leaders, better representatives than we currently have across the board. The people we have today at all levels of government and the bureaucracy that accompanies it are just sad. Many of them act like 3 year-olds and they keep getting re-elected - Pelosi, Schumer, Romney, Trump, Waters, Nelson.etc. We do not have any leaders in DC, all we have a people who stir the pot, pleasure us with distractions while taking more and more of what we earn to line thier's and their friends pockets with wealth and benefits for life. One day it will all come crashing down and hopefully a new republic will rise up. Perhaps it will outlaw lawyers ever being on a ballot for anything and require all public servants to have proof of holding a job, meeting a payroll, paying for their stuff with their own money and a host of other common sense rules.

allyn211
allyn211

I'll be honest: I have almost given up hope. I couldn't vote for either candidate in the last election because I didn't believe one was qualified and I couldn't trust the other one.

The conservative movement in the US is dead. We haven't had a decent victory since Ronald Reagan. I read a comment recently that said that when a Republican wins, they're in office, but when a Democrat wins, they're in POWER.

The liberals always win because the conservatives always cave, and the media is on the side of the liberals. If conservatives get elected to anything, they either can't or won't get their policies passed, and if by some miracle they do, some court ends up blocking it or ruling it unconstitutional.

I used to think that if you didn't vote, you didn't have a right to complain. But I've about given up on voting because Congress doesn't listen.

I have a son with a disability, and I have a collection of health problems. I've been afraid that the safety net won't be there for either of us when we need it. And there is absolutely no place to run to.

Is there any hope at all for the US? And if no, what do we do? Is it time to build a bunker and move underground?

DLC
DLC

Trump asked for this when he demanded the loyalty of Comey to HIM, and not the Constitution. You put people into corners, and yep, they choose sides. You're either a Collaborator, like Ryan and all the other weak Republicans who caved to Drumpf, or you become a Resistor.

Maga1
Maga1

you said we should stomp out who's ever wrong well bring your head here I'll stomp on it. Thank God you're leaving Fox you communist bastard