Could Erick or any religious conservative please explain to me what they think would be the position of Jesus on guns or if they think that Jesus would possess a gun? Thank you very much. Best regards, Justin
I am afraid He will be just another good man whos reputation will be ruined by an institutionalized corruption presidency.
Not being an expert on the bible I cannot say Jesus would like or dislike guns. I do know from going to a catholic school for 10 years that Jesus destroyed a temple taken over by money traders and beat them , that thou shall not kill actually translates to thou shall not murder , making the meaning entirely different . Christians cannot be CO's based on religion . I was taught that you are allowed to defend yourself and loved ones so that would mean jesus would accept guns knives swords ,as far as I was taught at Sacred Heart School in N Y anyhow .
jc2018 said: regards, Justin Thank you all for this discussion. I really appreciate you taking the time to explain to me your point of view. It's great to have an intelligent and civil discussion with people who have a different opinion than me. Best regards, Justin
The self-defense argument was merely to explain why they were armed, and Peter used the sword against Malgus in what he considered to be a threat to Jesus and acted instinctively. There is no other possible reason why they were armed. I agree with the shorter weapon reasoning, which was exclusively used for self defense and protection.
TheRight1961 said: There has been a lot of good discussion in this thread, but I was surprised that no one referenced an account in the Gospel of Luke (Ch 22) of a conversation between Jesus and his disciples, after The Last Supper, and before they went to the Mount of Olives. Jesus told the disciples to arm themselves, apparently in preparation for tough times that were coming: 35 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered. 36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” 38 The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied.
A sword or knife was a useful tool for much more than self-defense against another human; there were wild animals to be concerned about. There was a need for the preparation of food, etc. I don't find Jesus suggesting the use of a sword for offensive or defensive purposes. The sword is mentioned by Paul in his letter to the Ephesians; "put on the full armor of God" and the armor included the sword which was defined as "the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God". I use a knife for many things not related to self defense, and I do not feel completely dressed without it! We need also to remember, death for Christ and those IN Christ is not the end, but the beginning of something much better! It would be wonderful beyond words if the Bible answered ALL our questions, but it doesn't, we Christians do; however, have our "Google it" system with prayer!
etbass said: Jesus was contrasting their spread of the Gospel in the future, to when he had sent them out earlier. He was explaining to them that they needed to prepare to be men and need the things of men to do the work of God, money and supplies, including a sword (as others have mentioned was a short, defensive weapon, more of a knife than what we would think of as a sword). The disciples then start looking right then, and Jesus tells them it is enough, as in enough of that discussion. He wasn't trying to get them physically prepared to be sent at that moment, but offering them instructions for after his death and resurrection (which was what he had doing with the Last Supper that preceded this discussion). He tells them that the time is at hand "numbered with the transgressors", which is a quote from Isaiah prophesying Jesus' atoning death. The contrast is that Jesus was with them in earthly form the first time they were sent and their safety was guaranteed. The next time, he will be with them through the Holy Spirit and they must live as normal humans, needing money, supplies and protection.
I typically fully agree with you, et, but I can't in this instance, as the context fully proves otherwise. Jesus specifically quotes Isaiah 53:12, but ONLY that part that references being "numbered with the transgressors." Additionally, if this had ANYTHING to do with actually defending themselves, Jesus would not have said that 2 small daggers would 'suffice' for 11+ people. This was all and only about the fulfillment of the scriptures. Again, the case can be made, but Luke 22 is a very BAD place to do it as it requires very poor exegesis to arrive at that conclusion, and no issue is important enough to warrant poorly translating God's Word in order to arrive there.