Two Years Ago Christians Picked Trump and Still Feel Justified (Perhaps)

Trump didn't recite the Apostles' Creed, or sing hymns. Christians still feel justified for putting their faith in him.

Of those Christians who voted for Trump over two years ago, many prominent supporters still feel justified (or at least invested to the hilt) in their pick. Despite mocking from the left, Trump has been kind to Christians.

At Wednesday's memorial service for President George H.W. Bush, Trump was the only non-participant in the ritual reading of the Apostles' Creed.

Some on the left hopped on this, using it to mock evangelicals in tweets.

Evangelical radio host Dr. Michael Brown defended choosing Trump.

But this neither concerns me nor surprises me, since I didn’t vote for Donald Trump because I thought he was an evangelical Christian. I voted for him because I thought (or, at least hoped) that he would be a friend of evangelical Christians. I voted for him because I thought (or, at least hoped) that he would be sympathetic to the things that were important to us.

In that regard, I have not been disappointed. To the contrary, I have been happily surprised.

I have no beef with this argument, and Dr. Brown, among others, has been very consistent in his approach. Boiled down, voting for Trump because he's not Hillary, and being pleased with the results is a strong position, which few can deny.

But that approach fraught with uncertainty, and those who hold it know it is, precisely because Trump is not an evangelical. He has no investment in Christianity other than a transactional, expedient relationship. And that can change--very quickly.

Plato would ask about Donald J. Trump: "what is his nature?"

Trump's nature is self-preservation, and self-aggrandizement. When he fights, it's on behalf of himself, with you along for the ride as long as you're riding in his chosen vehicle (aka the "Trump train). While I don't endorse those conservatives who are repulsed by the thought of siding with Trump train passengers on any issue for any reason, like Max Boot and Bill Kristol, I also understand their principle.

Just like Franklin Graham, who has chosen to ride shotgun in the Trump train as a better choice than to find himself left behind without influence over the driver/conductor/engineer/track layer Trump, Kristol and company have chosen to remain at the station waving goodbye even if the train happens to meander to places they themselves would like to go. I choose to go where the train goes, when it goes where I want, but I refuse to buy a ticket that requires me to remain on board.

Back to the Apostles' Creed. Dr. Brown hit the nail square on the head with a suggestion about Trump: "Perhaps he’s not a true Christian and so had no interest in making the statement of faith." Perhaps.

If that "perhaps" is true, let's consider the consequences. When it suited him, in the past, Trump has turned on those close to him. Let's list some of them:

Trump turned on two of his ex-wives (though now Ivana mostly defends him).

Trump turned on two of his long-time personal lawyers: Roy Cohn at the end of his life suffered Trump totally cutting him off, and now Michael Cohen has become a non-person.

Trump turned on his early supporter then-Senator Jeff Sessions, spending eighteen months driving Sessions from the Attorney General's office he appointed him to.

Trump turned on RNC head Reince Priebus, after obtaining Priebus' obsequious support to obtain the nomination, unceremoniously firing him as Chief of Staff by tweet and leaving him on the tarmac at Andrews.

Trump turned on his one-time campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

Trump left Michael Flynn for dead, and I'm sure will turn on him by the end of this.

But many of those people, you may say in defense, attacked Trump. True. But that doesn't mean they don't deserve some measure of loyalty or defense. When they became inexpedient to the president, he dumped them, and in some cases, danced around as they suffered.

The only people I'd say Trump has not truly turned on is the media. With them (especially the Washington Post and CNN), he has a co-dependent, sick sort of deadly embrace. They both suck the life from each other, and they both prosper from it. It's gross. While Jim Acosta is truly horrified (when he's not being deified for his "standing up" to Trump), Trump is amused, even jovial, at the battle.

And in case you say all these relationships, turnings and leavings are scripted, Hollywood-style dramas that take place in the House of Cards beltway and New York fashion districts, look at a small sample of real world Trump turnings.

Trump bankrupted an Atlantic City casino, the Trump Taj Mahal.

Trump left Bridgeport, Connecticut holding the bag on a Fifth Amendment travesty, after the city condemned land for him and he left them with--nothing.

Trump convinced Eastern Air Lines Shuttle pilots to support him in converting the pedestrian walk-on air service into a gilded Trump Shuttle. Then he bankrupted the airline, keeping one of the aircraft as his personal trophy (he still has it).

Trump shamelessly sold his name and fame to huck vitamins, steaks, vodka, real estate get-rich-quick schemes and other products, none of which made anyone any money (except Trump). When those who invested in the products went under, Trump simply walked away, sued, or pretended he knew nothing.

Trump made so many paupers in the banking industry that no U.S. bank would touch him, leading him to source funding from Russians, who he has (mostly) not yet turned on.

Now, as president, Trump turned on farmers, because as a "tariff man," that's who suffers when China, Mexico and other trade partners stop buying our agriculture products.

In 2015, I quoted my then-pastor, who cautioned Christians to be careful, because the first time Christians differ from Trump, he will turn on us.

Conservatives continue to mock the progressive left as it self-consumes in stupidity like "intersectionality" and an insatiable mob outrage machine. When celebrities and leftists realize that the machine has come for them, Christians laugh and point fingers.

The long line of those who have been left waiting for Trump to pay off, know what happens when the time comes for him to leave them. Trump is who he is, and in the strongest likelihood, that will not change.

As Christians, and as conservatives, we must be very, very careful not to hang our hats on the shaky pole of "perhaps."

No. 1-22

This is stupid and so are the freaks who agree with this. Apostles Creed is for Catholics you dimwits. It says so as you read it.


You realize most evangelical Christians would NEVER recite the apostles creed, right? I’d argue the majority and correct view is that Catholicism and the Catholic-lite denominations are pagan and share nothing with legitimate Christianity. I actually respect Trump more for not reciting it- as any other baptist should.

Still Jules
Still Jules

I was wondering why anyone---ANYONE but perhaps the most dedicated hate-driven trolls---would pay any attention to what prayers the President did or did not say at a funeral.

And then I realized that it was suddenly very necessary to throw up chaff, a lot of chaff, try to make it flaming and radioactive chaff, and make a huge deal out of something that really doesn't matter at all, because something very significant DID happen and its existence is quite distressing to those on the Left and their Fellow Travelers, the "conservative" Never Trumpers.

Remember, voting for Trump to keep Hillary Clinton from becoming president has been soundly reviled and rejected as a valid reason. And now we are seeing some things that indicate that this was not only an important reason, a valid reason, even a compelling reason, as the actions of Clinton are finally going to be exposed and possibly identified as criminal.

Take a look at the JW v. State Dept. 14-1242 Lamberth ruling. It contains comments that have to make the cold-blooded Left's blood run even colder. Things such as:

the Court ORDERS the parties to meet and confer to plan discovery into (a) whether Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email while Secretary of State was an intentional attempt to evade FOIA; (b) whether the State Department’s attempts to settle this case in late 2014 and early 2015 amounted to bad faith; and (c) whether State has adequately searched for records responsive to Judicial Watch’s requests

Ouch. And the order also termed Clinton’s use of her private email system, “one of the gravest modern offenses to government transparency" as Judge Lamberth wrote in his MEMORANDUM OPINION:

his [President Barack Obama’s] State and Justice Departments fell far short. So far short that the court questions, even now, whether they are acting in good faith. Did Hillary Clinton use her private email as Secretary of State to thwart this lofty goal [Obama announced standard for transparency]? Was the State Department’s attempt to settle this FOIA case in 2014 an effort to avoid searching – and disclosing the existence of – Clinton’s missing emails? And has State ever adequately searched for records in this case?

He went on:

At best, State’s attempt to pass-off its deficient search as legally adequate during settlement negotiations was negligence born out of incompetence. At worst, career employees in the State and Justice Departments colluded to scuttle public scrutiny of Clinton, skirt FOIA, and hoodwink this Court.

And he also said The Court granted discovery because the government’s response to the Judicial Watch Benghazi FOIA request for Clinton emails “smacks of outrageous conduct.

No wonder there has been such a frantic effort to find something to divert attention away from the behavior of the DOJ (which we have to remember included at the time and still includes Mueller, Comey, et al).

"Nothing to see here, folks" claim the Left and their accomplices in undermining the presidency of Donald Trump and the destabilization of American society and the rule of law and its electoral process. "Just keep moving, and don't forget to be outraged at what the President did or did not say to God in the privacy of his own heart at the Bush funeral. THAT is what is important!"

AT BEST the actions of Comey and his co-conspirators and replacments in the DOJ were called " negligence born out of incompetence". AT BEST. But the judge admitted the possibility that they really represented abuse of power and fraud upon the Court.

Now circle back to the fact that it is this same group in charge of snouting around to try to find something they can use to harm the president.

Thomas Swander
Thomas Swander



First, the photograph heading this post is amazing. So crisp, the lighting is beautiful -- Heck, I watched the whole service and didn't notice Ivanka there (appearing to be reading the Creed, no less).

On Steve's secular observations, the bankrupt Atlantic City casinos were Taj Mahal AND Trump Plaza (I once lost at both). Nowadays, the Trump Hotel in Vegas -- Guess what? -- doesn't have a casino.

Of all the people fired from this White House, the most disturbing manner of it for me were Reince Preibus and Rex Tillerson. Preibus, because he was not only dumped on the tarmac, but he had spent a whole flight on AF1 with Trump without a clue that it would be his last. I wonder what he was thinking as he got into his isolated car, watching the presidential motorcade pull away without him.

Tillerson was abroad when he was summoned back to the White House to be canned. For reasons I can't fathom, Gen. Kelly told a West Wing gathering of reporters that Tillerson received that call of doom while on the toilet. Did Kelly think that this insult-to-injury remark would remain some snickering secret between him and the media? And our president, for dignity's sake, said nothing! No wonder Tillerson is the first Cabinet member to blast his old boss.

It's partly that sort of casual cruelty in this Administration that is shedding suburbanites and GOP moderates. Mr. Trump doesn't care.