You go out of your way to bring up Alabama's history and the actions of another elected official to lump all Alabamians into one mindset. Could it be possible that we can just rely on their ability to discern right from wrong, good from evil. And just because some activist judges say it is so, does not make it so or constitutionally intended. I know Romans 13, but at what point do we allow the state to make us all sinners. At some point we need to stand for God's Law.

@Revelation29 Alabama's history is what it is. If the majority of voters elect Roy Moore to the senate, history will play a large part in it. The same voters elected the former governor and other officials. It is not the state that makes us all sinners...we are all sinners because mankind is fallen. God is sovereign but I pray that discernment will make things morally clear to each person's conscience. There are no good answers. Politics is toxic.

The biggest problem I have with Alabamans electing Moore is that it means that it's literally better to be a pedophile in Alabama than a Democrat. Which, wow. It really has come to that, has it? I can't believe that many people simply don't believe the allegations, as credible as they are. I think it's more that they've decided that it was a long time ago and that they just don't care. That they want Judge Roy "If there's grass on the field, I'm ready to play!" Moore than to "prove" the rest of the world right.

@johntfs If the allegations are true, then what you wrote is also true. But there is room for people to give Moore the benefit of the doubt. He has denied the allegations, and is filing a lawsuit against the media that published them. I believe the allegations are credible but credible doesn't automatically mean true. Witness accounts from 38 years ago are notoriously unreliable. Pedophilia is a sickness that people who have it fight for life. If Moore was a pedophile then there would be other instances in the last 38 years and in the 33 years of his marriage. There'd be ample opportunity of him to have Internet encounters, photos, etc. Look at Anthony Weiner for example. There is no evidence of this with Moore.

I think calling Moore a pedophile is a stretch. I think he had a thing for younger women. That could be a consequence of his upbringing or his religious beliefs. I believe it's wrong for Moore or any grown man to want to date young teenagers, with or without parental permission. I think it's wrong for a grown man to make physical advances on those girls. I think if it was pedophilia there'd be a much more definite pattern to the behavior, which we don't see.

I believe Moore has not made a strong defense of the allegations. Either that's because he knows something happened and doesn't believe his defense would be credible, or he doesn't believe the public would appreciate his views on the subject of 30-something men wanting to "court" young teenage girls. Either way, it's very troubling, and I believe the best thing is for him to withdraw rather than bring discredit on his party and his state.

But I don't think he's a pedophile without seeing more evidence.

 I'll grant that Moore (probably) isn't a true pedophile.  He is apparently at least willing to wait until "there's grass on the field" before he is "ready to play."  I do tend to believe the allegations if for no other reason than the idea that this is somehow some weird conspiracy orchestrated by the WAPO is the stuff of "the moon landing was faked."  Presumed innocent or not, I also tend to believe the allegations against that asshat in New Mexico.  I also believe that while Bill Clinton may have been a good (or at least lucky) President, he was/is kind of a bad human being.  Despite being a liberal Democrat, I likely would not have voted for Hillary Clinton due to her Gollum-like pursuit of being POTUS except for the fact that her opponent was the even worse Donald Trump.  I figure when it started that it would be Bush vs. Clinton and I'd vote for Jed Bush.  Ah, well.

Steve this is off point, but I want your take as to why more folks aren't looking at the race this way:

Why should we dump Roy Moore BEFORE the election THAT HE MOST LIKELY WILL WIN?

If you're going to dump him, dump him AFTER HE WINS and put a REPUBLICAN IN HIS PLACE.

I can't believe the GOP ARE THAT STUPID. Without more YOU LOSE ... With WRITE IN YOU LOSE ... WITH MOORE YOU WIN and can replace him WITH A REPUBLICAN once he's there.

So why doesn't McConnell and the rest of the math phobic idiots in the Senate, just let the race play out and in the mean time they should just, SHUT THE HELL UP instead of trying garner votes for his opponent every time they open their collective mouths?

@Bosman If Moore is going to win and stays in the race, then politically it's a "win" by definition. But he'll be a pariah in the Senate. They'll try to expel him, which may or may not succeed. I can't say it's a "win" for Republicans to have such a person occupying a Senate seat.

At some point if you claim to be part of the Christian right, you need to be Christian.  Sniffing after high school girls isn't Christian.

Yes, I understand we are all sinners and fall short of the Glory Of God. But I will not become even more of a sinner by accepting Obergfell v Hodges or Roe v Wade or banning the Ten Commandemnts. And will not let the State force me. As Roy Moore has stood against. I guarantee you that these laws were never intended by Our Original Constitution of The United States of America. Finally there is someone who is not a coward who is willing to fight back against this evil. And I understand evil. So everything is suspect especially in this day and age. Pray for discernment and let that lead you. Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Obviously, the timing of the release of this information was not meant for justice for victims, but to impact the national political balance, as precarious as it is. Remember, if Democrats have control, then far more children will suffer and be tortured in the future with the current progressive inanity of the Democrat party. Saul Alinsky understood this to a tee, stating that one of the most effective ways to destroy an opponent was making it abide by its own rules, which means that the logical conclusion will be an elimination of all rules period, in which tyranny takes over.


@Jonah_Kyle I think the timing has more to do with a nationally covered special election Senate race and Roy Moore becoming more of a national figure than just political hits. In other words, if this were an in-cycle election and not a special election it's hard to know if WaPo would have devoted the resources to dig out the information.

Also, while members of the media may be politically liberal or conservative, the main color of the media as a business isn't red or blue. It's green. Since this was an off year, the Post had resources to spend on this race. Also, Roy Moore has been in the news quite a bit for earlier actions. Above all that you have the hypocrisy factor. A guy who sniffed after young "women" is one thing. A guy who did that and also wraps himself in the Ten Commandments and the Bible is something different and juicier.

etbass at red state described this situation in more detail. I think this is more than war against Alabama. That is the current battleground. The battle is the established powerful looking out for themselves's and ruling over the rest versus those that want the country to continue for free people in a free country that the government serves.

Steve. You say that Alabama is at war with the rest of the country. I agree with that. Why wouldn't they feel that way? The rest of the country is being used by the media and Democrats to get rid of Moore, and Alabama doesn't seem to agree with all the people claiming there is evidence Moore is what his accusers say, when there is nothing that comes close to evidence. There is a struggle within the Republican Party to claim ownership, which won't end well for the party, or the country. To Badmoon. etbass is an Alabamian and is well aware of his state's politics. He knows what is going on, better than most, I think.


I'm concerned that too many on this site are determined to hang Roy Moore on no conclusive evidence. Have you bothered to read the glowing character references of the 12 women this week who have worked, some of them closely, one of them a 16-year-old at the time, over the past 30 years and more with Roy Moore and affirm he treated them unfailingly with kindness and respect. Several said they would trust him with their lives. There was a rally of women in support of Moore at the Alabama State Capitol, led by upstanding and influential women. Allred is refusing to have the notorious yearbook examined by handwriting experts, which could quickly prove at least that particular accusation. This is a professional hit job. Also, a genuine pedophile would have continued this behavior. His behavior through the years has been nothing but exemplary. The holier than thou condemners of Judge Moore should check their Christian credentials to see if they should rather be defending their Christian brother.


There is a very good chance the "yearbook signature" is a fake taken from a legal document signed by Moore's legal assistant because of the initials following his name. Gloria Allred on the case should also be another a Red Flag. I wonder if there will be enough eggs to cover the faces of the stone casting accusers when this collapses like the Trump "Dossier"?

Good question, GenEarly.

@GenEarly so the signature is lifted but missing the "S"?

@Steve Berman believe what you will, Steve. This is a he said- she said, and you may keep your opinion by all means, but I'll bet you will need to buy some eggs for your face .

The article's writer stated that, "The Founders would not have been pleased with him..." Which founders would those be? Many of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, and our constitution, were Clergy - ministers of Cristian churches. The separation of church and state provision was not an "Anti-Christian," secularization of government clause. If you knew your history, you'd know that many came to America to escape religious persecution: (e.g., Or, have you never heard of why England's Queen Mary was known as "Bloody Mary"?) The separation clause was not to keep Christian values, people, or principals out of Government but to keep denominationalism out of it - Government was not to become an arm of the Roman Catholic Church, or the Methodist, Puritan, Presbyterian, Baptist, or any other Christian denomination or other religious sect. That is why, when Congress met for deliberations, they had ministers from ALL Christian denominations to offer prayers prior to beginning their official congressional duties. No Christian denomination, no matter how great or small, could have a monopoly on government control or influence. The article's writer should learn history primarily from original source works, instead of relying on secularized, progressive, anti-Christian public school history books.