Hey, Roaming! So, my dad mentioned one of those privilege thought exercises where it has people in a line and then they ask questions, take a step forward and back, etc. I was surprised he totally believes in privilege. I am of the opinion that the US is extremely privileged as a whole in comparison to other nations. So, barring that fact, I want to argue that poverty is the common denominator, not race, in terms of a metric of success or privilege. The census statistics for the "poorest cities in America" showed places with a high black population. I looked at it at a rural level, too. No one can deny that people who are so far removed from modern society are underprivileged when the median income was like $9000. Long story short, 47% (more than any other group) of those poorest places were predominantly black. Like 66% of them were US-minority majority places. I can't exactly deny that. I tried to look for some kind of racial break down of specifically the poor in those tiny places, but the Census didn't have them openly available. But I also couldn't find any sort of indicator of cost of living in those places. I also can't think of a reason other than maybe the systemic racist people might actually have a point about there being a disproportionate amount of poverty amongst black people in comparison to white people. If it's not some kind of racism at the root of the problem, what is? I'm pretty stumped. For me the numbers are starting to actually suggestive to the SJWs having a point, but then again as someone more concerned with endangered fish populations than human populations, I'm a little out of my element here so I'm looking to you for any kind of opinion or insight. Just like in ecological niches I can only assume there are n-dimensional variables acting on whether or not people are successful. My metric for success or this perception of privilege is completely flawed, but even so, the trend is startling. Damn, I kind of want to stick to looking at fish. Fish make more sense to me than social stuff.

The supposedly anti-racism policies designed to give blacks and other minorities "a leg up" by not holding them to the same standards as everybody else (both academically and socially and morally) and to treat blacks who act "too white" as if they're somehow "not really black" (thus conflating culture with race) combine with the welfare state - which was designed to imprison anybody who got on it, and was deliberately targeted at minorities - leads to the poverty-stricken areas being very largely minority-dominated. It's the government's "help" that does it. It's no coincidence that the supposedly-priviliged groups are those who get the least "assistance" from the government. They really are priviliged...to be left alone and made to rely on themselves.

Yes often it's not that leftists are wrong, it's that they think they're entitled to kindness. They also don't listen to real solutions. Reducing welfare might force people to create a real economy with the potental to move up. Instead they want a basuc income.

Well, as a minority who's getting a leg up so I can afford university I can't say that I agree. It's a case-by-case thing. I chose a STEM program at a really difficult tier one research university and while I was more prepared than a lot of people, the year leading up to my attendance I paid for and took remedial math classes at my community college just to make sure I wasn't in over my head. I'm taking elective classes that I know will have marketable skills when I graduate. I am really privileged to have this chance to make a better life for myself so I don't fuck it up by going to parties or anything, but without scholarships and grants I would not have this chance at all. I'm already making connections with potential employers and interning left and right to make sure I don't become a STEM educated barista on welfare. So I get that helping minorities is bad because it feeds the welfare state and stuff, but I'm still happy for the chance to shoot higher than cleaning lady or house wife with too many kids.

@Segev it does seem like the typical upsidedown thinking of leftists. maybe at first the people that started the welfare state wanted to help. in the uk the welfare state really got going after ww2 so i can totally see why you'd wanna help heal a country. but now we see what should have been obvious: when you take away a person's motivation to work by giving them a level of comfort, you also take away their responsibility and voliton and so on. that the us targeted minorities for this is honestly quite sinister... the whole point of the welfare state and socialism type things is for it to be equal.

@EllenC good work, mate. good luck with your studies and future career. did you grow up on welfare? like basic living costs, housing, food, etc? id put higher education scholarships etc as a different category from providing basic living costs. it does sound like in the usa they have strange eligibilty requirments tho for higher education funding, like minority quotas and stuff?

@EllenC Well I was more talking about race prioties that colleges have, not so much about finacial aid. Helping poor people is great. But it shouldn't focus on specific races or or encourage people not to work.

That's the thing though Armadillo.... Did I get in on merit or the color of my skin? I will never know!! It's heartbreaking to think about. Did I get in because I'm awesome? Or am I token Mexican?? I try not to think about it because it actually does hurt too much to think about.

@EllenC wow, that must really bump up the 'imposter syndrome'. but, even if someone did get in as a token, it's their own hard work and smarts that will get them to graduation, right? try to remember that :-)

I think those numbers are actually the really important ones. If you look at the way minorities are highly selected and admitted to universities vs how many actually finish their degrees, it's another startling number. It seems fine and good to admit for the sake of diversity, but are you admitting someone who has no place being there simply so you can say look at all these Mexicans we have aren't we inclusive. If you're taking people who aren't ready simply because they're minorities all you're doing is putting financial hardship on them in the form of paying back student loans for a degree they never got and couldn't afford in the first place... :S So when things get rough I find myself really wondering about affirmative action and if it shot me in the foot or if I can actually do it.

In the end, the best way to help people is to provide opportunities for those who are not meeting qualifications to find ways TO meet them. Courses in material they're deficient in in places they can go to take them seem the most likely to help with university admissions, for instance. These all can be 100% color-blind, because they only need to measure competency, and only need to help gain that competency where it's lacking. You help nobody by lowering the bar based on their skin color. You only help them by giving them training to enable them to leap over the same bar as everybody else.

@Segev Isn't that what public schools do? Why can't we make sure all public schools are getting equal funding and be done with it?

@EllenC Maybe take a look at the schools demographics vs the general population?