About four months ago, in regards to the video where you talked about the congressional shooter in…

About four months ago, in regards to the video where you talked about the congressional shooter in the US, you confidently asserted in the video that "mental instability" is the usual culprit in mass shootings that don't involve larger ideological pursuits, and that if the gunman had any type of mental illness, that you would automatically blame the shooting on whatever hypothetical mental disability he may have possessed.

In reference to this academic journal published by the NCBI: (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4318286/), they have found that 3-5% of crimes in the US involve people with mental disabilities, that percentages of crimes that involve guns committed by the mentally disabled are at a lower rate than the average of crimes that don't involve criminals with mental disabilities, the vast majority of people with mental illness do not commit violent acts, that people with mental disabilities are more likely to be assaulted or shot by the police than to commit violent crimes themselves, and that being male and a binge drinker are predictive risk factors of serious violence.

Why do you seem to believe that mental illness is causing mass shootings, such as the Sandy Hook and Aurora movie theater shooting, to occur in the face of academic research that shows the contrary?

All I'm saying is that its not unreasonable to say mental illness (among other traits) is a trend among mass shooters. Shes not cherry picking. She was pointing out that if he did have a mental illness it would be more similar to other mass shootings and therefore not a result of the current political climate.

While mentally ill people are unlikely to commit violence, mass shooters do seems to have a higher rate of mental illness then the general population. Those are two different things. The article I posted is important because it does suggest this, even if there is no proper diagnosis. I think at this point we've reached a stale mate :\

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I don't think a seriously mentally ill person would be able to plan and carry out something like a mass murder. A psychotic or schizophrenic person couldn't 'stretch' the psychotic episode out long enough or be able to function long enough to do it. Sure some of the mass killers will have mental illnesses, 1/4 of the population do, but the idea of a 'psycho' on a rampage is mostly fiction.

if someone is 'ill' enough to kill lots of people, then they are functional enough not to be classed as 'ill'. perhaps. ? perhaps a theologist would be more useful in this than a psychiatrist. does evil exist etc

Interesting, but I don't think mental illness always works in "episodes". It can be a totally different way of living. Its not always something that makes it hard to function. Often it can be something that's hard NOT to do. Plus the trend would seems like most shooters have mental illnesses, as show in that article I posted. Not saying people with mental illnesses are more likely to be mass killers, I'm saying that mass killers are more likely to have mental illnesses then the general population, which is what the study demonstrates.

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it's a very tricky one this.

i think that there is a large difference between the uk where i am and the usa where these mass shootings are more common? and the different cultural and media views of mental illness and crime and guns.

i also think a large part of it is that people aren't allowed to talk about evil anymore, in both countries i think?, and definitely in the fields of psychiatry and crime, and so almost HAVE to put a medical label on these people.

also, psychiatry, which here at least is the medical/scientific profession, and psychology which is the social science/social worker profession, or the academic study of mind etc, are not hard solid black and white subjects. psychiatry is more so because they first need a medical doctors degree - psychologists don't. and from what i can tell, the situation in the usa is even more lax and open to error and so on? so we don't have much solid evidence to go on.

so yeah, another tricky subject that even us smart and attractive people won't be able to find a clean answer too lol. seems to be a pattern here.

So your saying that they are labeled mentally ill because we can't comprehend the idea of evil? Interesting, but I don't think that's quite true. SJWs think us conservatives are based on simply hate, and campaign on fighting "hate". So I think we do talk about such things. Plus a lot of shooters have a history of mental illness prior to attacking.

I think maybe we've got to the point that anything that is different then the "exclusively inclusive" narrative that's so prevalent is blamed on hate, be conservatives or shooters. I wounldn't be surprised if leftists deny mental illness as a factor to try to convince people that shooters are no different then conservatives.

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No, I'm saying maybe they are labelled as mentally ill because the medical professionals, and the criminal professionals, and also the media 'professionals' don't/aren't allowed to talk about evil, possibly.

ah I'm about done if the SJW weirdness is brought into it - those idiots could make 1+1=tangerine if they thought it'd suit them.

btw is there a way I can have this site send me an email whenever someone posts on a thread i have posted in? i only catch the replies that arent on Questions i asked by browsing.

@ArthurM Ah, thats possible. Not sure I buy it though.
And sorry for bringing up SJW conspiracies lol, that might be too far.

Also I'd love to know how to STOP getting emails Maybe a way to get them from just certain people? If someone "@" you you get one. I'll try do it more for you :).

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@Armadillo
Hello, I don’t wish to drag this out any further than how it’s already been, but there are two things I want to point out. When Roaming responded to my initial comment above: "Why do you seem to believe that mental illness is causing mass shootings, such as the Sandy Hook and Aurora movie theater shooting, to occur in the face of academic research that shows the contrary?"

Roaming’s response was: “James Holmes and Adam Lanza both had documented mental health issues”, which means that she is blaming Holmes’ and Lanza’s decision to go on a mass shooting on their ‘mental health issues.’ If you watch her original video regarding the congressional shooter, she makes this point quite clear around the middle.

Also, I understand that you are not accusing all mentally ill people of being deranged and have only been pointing out correlations between mental illness and violence. But I just wanted to say that I found an interview on Louder With Crowder with Jordan Peterson where Dr. Peterson says that the argument that asserts that mental illness is the cause of mass shootings is “very weak.” I’m sure he needs no introduction as a psychologist and as someone who isn’t trying to push any political agendas.

If you wish to see the video, as I think it’s also worth watching since Jordan Peterson also talks about the concept of evil just as how you and ArthurM have been doing recently, I can link it down below; it starts around the 49:27 timestamp:

I’ll try to ask Jordan Peterson directly about my questions then relaying his response directly to Roaming herself if necessary. My goal is to try and show people that mental illness doesn’t deprive people of their sense of morality. As Steven Crowder put it, some people think that Bipolar Disorder means that you act like Daffy Duck, when really, it’s a disorder that makes people go through cycles of “mania” and “depressive” that switch frequently.

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I agree that mental illness doesn't rob people of moral. However be careful not to rob shooters of their's either. RM did mention in her video that their actions likely don't make sense to them either. Rather, perhaps its one of many ingredients that lead to a mass shooter. Mental illness affects different people in different ways. Its not hard to imagine that someone could commit evil in part because of how their illness has shaped their life. That plus the violence issue the left tend to have anyway (which RM did mention in the video) may lead people to do horrible things. Its probably a combination of things.

As for RMs comment, I think she was just poiting out that they did have mental illnesses after you implied they didn't (whether you ment to or not). Like I mentioned, she did say that the left has a violence problem on its own, not just people who have mental illnesses.

Interesting video nonetheless though, thanks for sharing it!
(Although perhaps this conversation has gone on long enough, maybe I'll wait until your next response to RM. :p)

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