Wow, this thread escalated quickly, my goodness. I'm quite pro-religion, but I'm inclined to venture some dark opinions on the cold-war religion-for-morals viewpoint.

"What is the reason for behaving morally?" I've found fear makes for a more reliable foundation for moral behaviour than anything else, and with the modern faithless you find a greater fearful disposition. You come and spend a few months in London, you'll find it's the most secular place in the world, and you'll also find peace and good-will abounds. Not because of any wider sense of love and peace, but on the contrary, because everyone is an untrusting nervous wreck.

I think it's just a dark fact of nature that 'castration' does equal 'good behaviour.' There's no way around it, and an excellent way to castrate people is to take religion out of the picture (as well as guns and other freedoms), and leave them in a quivering mess of death anxiety. In bourgeois south-east England there's a grand social conspiracy to pretend death doesn't exist, and it does wonders for your superficial cold-war morality. That's what all this free health-care, business-suffocating health & safety laws, extremely low violent crime rates and super-tough gun legislation is all about. And everyone's more than fine with it because it helps to keep the looming spectre of eternal solitude & darkness out of mind.

Religion goes far deeper than the moral sphere of civilized behaviour, and thank God too, because the world would be a very dark place indeed, if civilization was all there was to hope for.

As to over under populated areas where schools are involved: I would bet ALL are occurring in under populated spots, not over populated. Check it out.

Carl, I am an atheist. If there is no "God" then all we have is each other. ALL we have is each other. There is no ressurection. There is no re-incarnation. So shouldn't we treat the planet, the environment we live on as well as we can so our children and all descendants have a non toxic environment similar to that which we inherited. Lastly, because we all have only one life that life is logically more precious than if you actually have a chance at resurrection or reincarnation. So taking another person's life is monstrous.

I'm sure there are many reasons for gun violence. DNA may play a small part, but our culture plays a larger part. Economic decisions that result in non parents raising their children play a part.

There is hope that the pendulum will swing back from mindless hedonism. But religion is not the way. Most decent people I know are not religious and there is no expectation that they or their children ever will be.

You think America is overcrowded? Just come down to Mumbai in India and try traveling in the local railway during rush hour!

Mish my wife sent this before I had a chance to say anything to the people who responded to my remarks. She is the one who yelled at me the other night. She was in the top 10 beauties at the Un. of Texas along with Farrah Fawcett back in 1965.

Cultural, maybe. Over-medicated, definitely. The pharmaceutical industry and its lapdogs have a lot to answer for.

Politically Incorrect truths ARE truths none the less.

With REAL consequences.

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