The Intercept reports A Consensus Emerges: Russia Committed an “Act of War” on Par With Pearl Harbor and 9/11. Should the U.S. Response Be Similar?
IN THE WAKE of last week’s indictments alleging that 13 Russian nationals and entities created fake social media accounts and sponsored political events to sow political discord in the U.S., something of a consensus has arisen in the political and media class (with some notable exceptions) that these actions not only constitute an “act of war” against the U.S., but one so grave that it is tantamount to Pearl Harbor and 9/11. Indeed, that Russia’s alleged “meddling” is comparable to the two most devastating attacks in U.S. history has, overnight, become a virtual cliché.
The claim that Russian meddling in the election is “an act of war” comparable to these events isn’t brand new. Senators from both parties, such as Republican John McCain and Democrat Jeanne Shaheen, have long described Russian meddling in 2016 as an “act of war.” Hillary Clinton, while promoting her book last October, described Russia’s alleged hacking of the DNC and John Podesta’s email inbox as a “cyber 9/11.” And last February, the always war-hungry Tom Friedman of the New York Times said on “Morning Joe” that Russian hacking “was a 9/11-scale event. They attacked the core of our democracy. That was a Pearl Harbor-scale event.”
But the last few days have ushered in an explosion of this rhetoric from politicians and journalists alike. On Friday night’s Chris Hayes show on MSNBC, two separate guests — Democratic Rep. Jerry Nadler and longtime Clinton aide Philippe Reines — posited Pearl Harbor as the “equivalent” of Russian meddling.
Should We Bomb Russia?
None of these hypocrite fools making war claims have said what they would do about it.
The Intercept cites “Meet the Press” host Chuck Todd, for doing his best 2002 impression of Bill Kristol, decreeing in a predictably viral tweet that all patriotic Americans are duty-bound to focus on the question of what we should do to “punish Russia”:
If this really is another "Pearl Harbor" or another 911, shouldn't we be bombing Moscow?
At least have the decency to say. On second thought, please shut up. We have had enough of these asinine comparisons.
What About US Acts of War?
Please watch that clip of former CIA director James Woolsey.
Apparently, it's an act of war when Russian trolls go on a Tweetstorm, but not an act of war when we supply weapons and incite riots to take out foreign governments.
Where is the Evidence?
Pat Buchanan discusses evidence and US hypocrisy in his article Is That Russia Troll Farm an Act of War?
Buchanan points out some obvious hypocrisies in his article, but missed one of the biggest of all: Us meddling in an Iranian coup to install a US puppet for the oil industry.
Buchanan then gets down to brass knuckles with this line of thought on Hillary.
What do these indictments of Russians tell us? After 18 months, the James Comey-Robert Mueller FBI investigation into the hacking of the DNC and John Podesta emails has yet to produce evidence of collusion.
Yet we do have evidence that a senior British spy and Trump hater, Christopher Steele, paid by the Hillary Clinton campaign and DNC to dig up dirt on Trump, colluded with Kremlin agents to produce a dossier of scurrilous and unsubstantiated charges, to destroy the candidacy of Donald Trump. And the FBI used this disinformation to get FISA Court warrants to surveil and wiretap the Trump campaign.
Why is this conspiracy and collusion with Russians less worthy of Mueller’s attention than a troll farm in St. Petersburg?
Michael Moore Trapped
The latest bit of hypocrisy is quite amusing: Michael Moore participated in anti-Trump rally allegedly organized by Russians.
Michael Moore, the polemical filmmaker who has long accused President Trump of colluding with Russians, posted videos and pictures of himself participating in a protest in Manhattan that was allegedly organized by Russians in November 2016.
Prosecutors said Friday that the Russians indicted for meddling in the presidential campaign were also behind anti-Trump rallies that occured after the election.
The government alleged in an indictment signed by Special Counsel Robert Mueller that the defendants organized a Nov. 12 “Trump is NOT my President” rally in New York. Their “strategic goal” was to “sow discord in the U.S. political system,” the indictment said.
Russia's Clever Strategy
Damn them Russians. They swung the election to Trump, then rallied against Trump as part of a clever “strategic goal” to “sow discord in the U.S. political system.
Please note that Trump spent about half of what Clinton did on his way to the presidency.
Trump spent about $238.9 million through mid-October, compared with $450.6 million by Clinton's. That equals about $859,538 spent per Trump electoral vote, versus about $1.97 million spent per Clinton electoral vote.
Wow. It's quite amazing how troll-bots can steal an election from someone with a $450.6 million campaign war chest.
Mike "Mish" Shedlock
Dec 8, 2018
Laughable. War??? Wait till the find out what the Israelis have been up to. Oh wait....
Jul 12, 2018
Russia had nothing to do with Clinton's loss. I predicted she would lose long before Trump was even a candidate. http://economati.blogspot.com/2015/04/hillary-to-announce-campaign-run-and.html
May 29, 2018
The Democrats are the real and present danger.I t's a sad day but it's the truth.
Feb 25, 2018
The US is descending into kooksville.
Feb 22, 2018
An act of war was the US force-fed re-election of the Booze Boris in 1996. It is one of the most shameful events of contemporary history. “Alleged Russian meddling” if it was to be taken to a face value, was a Sunday school pick nick compared to this gross intervention to the national sovereignty.
Feb 21, 2018
"They attacked the core of our democracy." The American mainstream media attacked the core of our democracy, colluding with the Hillary campaign, against Trump, meddling in our election.
Feb 21, 2018
Not so long ago, in the dark days when Barry Soetero was "president" -- is it OK now to say he was Not My President, or is that still Raaacist! -- he instructed Brits to vote against Brexit, and implied that a UK out of the EU would have a hard time getting trade deals with the US. That was clearly a top-level effort to influence the result of a democratic election in another country. Did Barry actually launch a war with this unprovoked attack on the UK? And let's not even talk about Barry's girls fomenting the actual overthrow of a democratically-elected government in the Ukraine.
Feb 21, 2018
FDR: "A date which will live in infamy", G.W. Bush: "A great people have been moved to defend a great nation", D.J.Trump:" They are laughing their asses off in Moscow".
Feb 21, 2018
Its hard to tell if blogger X or blogger Y is a Russian trollbot, any writer critical of the US government can find his readership, and clickons and MONEY flow improving nicely when the trolls get on board. What writer doesn't find cause with their audience? This time around (midterms) it's not going to be as easy for them, or for you blogger XYZ, to accept their favors. And we are too this point, perhaps, where we say, If You Are Anti-American, get the hell out of here.
Feb 21, 2018
SweetKenny: again, Carter Page was not part of the Trump campaign. Donny said so himself.